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Why do we have to accept global spam? (currently 1,182 views) |
| Fred |
| Posted on: Wednesday, February 28th, 2007, 12:40am |
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Greetings! I have fought especially "Canadian Pharmacy", who spams me up to 40 times per day and other Drug pushers, as well as loan sites for quite some time now. The problem is, that the spam and the web sites are global! We cannot really restrict global spam and web sites for they are not in our jurisdiction.
But global spam can be blocked very easily, by simply giving the email recipient a choice where he does want mail and where not from! That could be easily done by a web interface to a program on the email server site, that checks the header info of the mail and then finds the IP Network range. This would be a small database that has all the network ranges and associated country codes. If I for example expect legitimate email from Canada, the US and another country in Europe, then I would enter this into the web interface of the email server. In that case the email server would dump any email, that comes from networks in countries I don't want or expect email from, while mail from the countries I have selected will end up in my mailbox. Naturally, this web interface wood allow me to select an override for a network range or IP Address I wanted in a country I usually would not accept email from.
This is not a big program, but this concept would be only effective if the law makes it mandatory for all email servers in the US and perhaps Canada. Once that would happen, the spammers would face hard times, for most people, who dislike spam would limit their email reception to be within their jurisdiction. After a while, the spammer would have to realize, that they lost the control they tried to establish! This way spam could only come out of the selected jurisdictions! Once spam is only possible within the local jurisdiction, than laws and technologies can deal with it! Meaning within the local jurisdiction it can be made more and more difficult, risky and expensive to spread spam!
I know, that some of you will argue, there a spam filters. Well a lot of people don't use them, but they are not a 100% and everybody uses a different Spam filter or ways to block unwanted email. Therefore you can never be sure, if legitimate email reaches the attention of the recipient! Now if an email is kind of important, due to spam, you have no other choice as to phone the recipients up and ask them if they got it!
Sure one can also change the email address, if the spam gets to heavy, I have done this in the past. I have even emailed everyone my new email address before I did that, only to find out later, when someone called and told me, that their mail bounced back. So I told them, that I did send them my new email address, only to find out, that they never noticed and perhaps deleted it, for it was mistaken for spam! Now the main reason for this is global spam and it really is intruding peoples privacy and private lifes. It's time the lawmakers do something about it and give people the choice to reject global spam!
Please let me know, what you thionk about all this! Cheers
Fred
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| MarkGiles |
| Posted on: Wednesday, February 28th, 2007, 3:12am |
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Greetings! I have fought especially "Canadian Pharmacy", who spams me up to 40 times per day and other Drug pushers, as well as loan sites for quite some time now. The problem is, that the spam and the web sites are global! We cannot really restrict global spam and web sites for they are not in our jurisdiction. |
With respect, this statement betrays an invalid supposition - that jurisdiction is required. The presumption is that legal jurisdiction is required, and there is an inherent assumption that prosecution is the only way to combat the spam. I suggest that there are other factors.
Quoted Text But global spam can be blocked very easily, by simply giving the email recipient a choice where he does want mail and where not from! That could be easily done by a web interface to a program on the email server site, that checks the header info of the mail and then finds the IP Network range. This would be a small database that has all the network ranges and associated country codes. If I for example expect legitimate email from Canada, the US and another country in Europe, then I would enter this into the web interface of the email server. In that case the email server would dump any email, that comes from networks in countries I don't want or expect email from, while mail from the countries I have selected will end up in my mailbox. Naturally, this web interface wood allow me to select an override for a network range or IP Address I wanted in a country I usually would not accept email from. |
I have used this approach with Mailwasher. But there are problems. It is useless for businesses that are truly multinational. It has also been circumvented by the advent of botnets, which send spam from every geography, even the house next door.
Quoted Text This is not a big program, but this concept would be only effective if the law makes it mandatory for all email servers in the US and perhaps Canada. Once that would happen, the spammers would face hard times, for most people, who dislike spam would limit their email reception to be within their jurisdiction. After a while, the spammer would have to realize, that they lost the control they tried to establish! This way spam could only come out of the selected jurisdictions! Once spam is only possible within the local jurisdiction, than laws and technologies can deal with it! Meaning within the local jurisdiction it can be made more and more difficult, risky and expensive to spread spam! |
If I decided to ban the geography responsible for the vast majority of spam, the USA would be first to go.
Quoted Text I know, that some of you will argue, there a spam filters. Well a lot of people don't use them, but they are not a 100% and everybody uses a different Spam filter or ways to block unwanted email. Therefore you can never be sure, if legitimate email reaches the attention of the recipient! Now if an email is kind of important, due to spam, you have no other choice as to phone the recipients up and ask them if they got it!
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The current trend is to move the spam filtering from the destination to as close as possible to the source. ISPs are implementing filters on the customer's OUTBOUND link. The more spam that is stopped from entering the network, the better. Spammers attempt to circumvent that by implementing their own SMTP engine. Email goes direct from source to target mail server.
Quoted Text Sure one can also change the email address, if the spam gets to heavy, I have done this in the past. I have even emailed everyone my new email address before I did that, only to find out later, when someone called and told me, that their mail bounced back. So I told them, that I did send them my new email address, only to find out, that they never noticed and perhaps deleted it, for it was mistaken for spam! |
Changing the address is extremely effective, but can be costly for businesses - the cost of stationery, reprints, advertising material etc.
Quoted Text Now the main reason for this is global spam and it really is intruding peoples privacy and private lifes. It's time the lawmakers do something about it and give people the choice to reject global spam!
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I have stopped looking for a single agency to solve this problem. It's too big for that. I'm not going to look solely to lawmakers, or police, or politicians, or registrars, or ISPs, or Sotware developers . . It is going to take a concerted effort by many interest groups and agencies using a wide range of initiatives to make any significant dent on 85-90% of all Internet email traffic.
Quoted Text Please let me know, what you thionk about all this! Cheers
Fred |
That will be two cents, thanks 
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| admin |
| Posted on: Wednesday, February 28th, 2007, 7:15pm |
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There is one thing that could probably eliminate nearly all spam---a good PR campaign to educate consumers that they should never respond to, or "buy" anything advertised in a spam. If that were to happen, the spammers' cash flow would be eliminated, and there would be no reason to send spam if absolutely no one falls for it.
Unfortunately, we all know it is not that easy. For every spam I receive, it pains me to know that people actually fall for this stuff! It just defies all common sense how people are so easily fooled. They see an e-mail with the subject line of "Oyster city," it says Cl!ck here for cH3ap C!alIs, and not only do they visit the "site," they actually place an order and don't bother to notice even the most basic warning signs that it is a fraud! After all that, they still wonder why they never got their order but their credit card was charged, can't get anyone from the "business" to answer their e-mails, and their website at http://ewertfdshdfahj.com doesn't work anymore!
All it takes is public education, and a good place to start would be a campaign on the home pages of every "family based" ISP like AOL, Earthlink & Comcast. How about a campaign warning of stock spams on Yahoo Finances & E-Trade to cut down on the people who seem to honestly think a total stranger is just being nice & giving them a truly hot stock pick that they'll make tons of money on if they invest?
The more people you can get to "just say no," the less cash flow the spammers would have.
Public education could be a vital tool, but executing it successfully is another matter. |
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